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pipbarber
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Defying the court ruling over the Venezualan 'gang members' deportation feels like, to put it in poker terminology, a raise in the stakes. This is an open defiance of a court ruling, they even mocked the ruling on social media. They also claimed it was 'undemocratic' for a judge to override the decisions of a president! The logic here is that the judge wasn't 'elected,' thus neatly distorting the meaning of the word 'democratic' by reducing it to nothing more than the election of a president, which is in fact an autocratic reduction, the opposite of 'democracy'. (I can't but think of Nabokov vs Orwell here and how they are both being proven half right and half wrong, but i'll save that diatribe for another time).

If maga simply start ignoring court orders, what happens then? What happens if the Supreme court decides against maga on some question and they ignore that ruling too? We're getting right into the heart of autocratic takeover at this point, how far will they go? I'd bet on the whole fucking way.

First they came for the 'illegal' immigrants...and i did not speak out because i was not an illegal immigrant.
Then they came for...
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pipbarber wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:36 pm I'd bet on the whole fucking way.
It's full speed ahead right now. And look at the orange fuhrer and his cabinet. They show no signs of slowing down.
I can feel it
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stylofone wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:42 pm
pipbarber wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:36 pm I'd bet on the whole fucking way.
It's full speed ahead right now. And look at the orange fuhrer and his cabinet. They show no signs of slowing down.
I have been wondering lately, what attempt might be made to "shut down" the prominent mockers. I mean Colbert, Meyers, Kimmel, Stewart (not to mention Pakman, Maddow and any actual serious journalists). Putie has a solution to that sort of thing.

It's a chilling thought.
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Following the pattern of fascist takeovers, the US is still in the consolidation and coordination phase (there's a German word for it but i can't recall it). This phase is not overly violent, and critics still have a voice. What's important is making sure that all public office holders of significance throughout the entire state apparatus are first and foremost loyal to the leader and the cause. Piece by piece power is concentrated in the executive by weakening and overtly attacking the legislature and the judiciary.

Once this phase is complete, or near enough to, then the critics are in trouble. This purging phase will be more violent and the autocracy will reveal itself fully.

Of course it might not happen like this. Trump could die. The military could step in. The courts may be able to stop the movement somehow. The people might rise up and republican reps might stand up. Anything could happen to derail the course maga is on, but also nothing might happen to stop them.

First they came for the 'illegal' immigrants...and i did not speak out because i was not an illegal immigrant.
Then they came for...
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pipbarber wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:46 pm ... Trump could die. ...
Now there is a comforting thought. Though t's still going to be a rough landing, especially if Vance continued with his indignant inflated bullshittery.

([wishful_thinking]Though his pompous veneer is so wafer thin he might just run screaming from the WH.[/wishful_thinking]
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Hambone wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:24 pm
stylofone wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:42 pm
pipbarber wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 6:36 pm I'd bet on the whole fucking way.
It's full speed ahead right now. And look at the orange fuhrer and his cabinet. They show no signs of slowing down.
I have been wondering lately, what attempt might be made to "shut down" the prominent mockers. I mean Colbert, Meyers, Kimmel, Stewart (not to mention Pakman, Maddow and any actual serious journalists). Putie has a solution to that sort of thing.

It's a chilling thought.
Trump has been talking bug about taking away broadcast licences and shutting down TV and radio stations right from his first term. This term he's started talking about suing presenters and actually started legal action against some stations, CBS is currently opposing Trump's 20b case accusing them of interfering in the election because they unfairly edited the 60 minutes tape. This so far is all proposed using existing courts and regulations, however just recently they had started ignoring court orders, the Supreme Court itself has called him out for demanding that judges who oppose him be impeached.

Further the government as DOGE has recently broken into a privately owned building because the institution that owned the building received government funding, this is entirely illegal, they have no authority over privately owned property, the police did by and did nothing while this happened. Each little step is one step on the way to full authoritarianism, how long before the private army starts marching into TV studious and shutting everything down? Don't know, but this is a first step, if you can argue that just receiving government funding means you are subject to government invasion that reaches a lot of private citizens, farmers, manufacturers, I mean Boeing receives government funding for projects, does that mean DOGE can strongarm their want into Boeing?

Each little step takes them on step closer to just arresting a imprisoning people for political opposition, the question is, will the American population just let it happen?
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The DOJ is onto something big in the US, they have opened major case, and I mean MAJOR case.....to investigate the price of eggs.

The US border patrol is taking part as well, since October they have intercepted banned imports of 3,768 poultry related products crossing the border from Mexico to the US, while at the same time only 352 interceptions of Fentanyl have taken place, this if big news people, now you know why Trump is so keen on tariffs, this has to stop!

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We were going to the US in July to visit the step-son. Then we decided we would spend our money in Canada instead and just pick up the step-son in Seattle on the way through. We've now canned the whole thing. Right before this happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... t-detained
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wolty wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:03 pm We were going to the US in July to visit the step-son. Then we decided we would spend our money in Canada instead and just pick up the step-son in Seattle on the way through. We've now canned the whole thing. Right before this happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... t-detained
While it's sad it is indeed a wise move, specially considering;
Sielaff returned to Germany last week after spending two weeks in detention, after his entry permit was cancelled at the Mexican border, amid suspicions by the US authorities that he had remained in the US longer than he was allowed.
A German tourist detained by US immigration authorities is due to be deported back to Germany on Tuesday after spending more than six weeks in detention, including eight days in solitary confinement.

Jessica Brösche, a 29-year-old tattoo artist from Berlin, will reportedly join Lucas Sielaff, 25, from Bad Bibra in Saxony-Anhalt, who is reported to have returned to Germany on 6 March, after being arrested at the Mexican border on 18 February before being detained for almost two weeks.
There is no longer any due process that ICE bothers to follow, no investigation, no fact finding, they can just throw you in isolation for as long as they want and as a foreign national you have no recourse. And tattoos, if anyone has tattoos and slightly darker skin don't ever go there, you could end up in Salvador and never be seen again. The US need to be put on every countries "no go" list from now on.

There is no rhyme or reason to border detentions at the moment. The best thing to do would be to fly directly to Canada and meet there! Not even a flight stopover in the US, to dangerous at the moment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -detention
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We've got flights and accommodation booked for October in Hawaii. It would cost way too much to change now. There'll be some wiping of the phones before we go. There's a reason Annie and I don't use our real names on social media.
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