Australian Atheists Forum

What is a Atheists? Well: I don't talk about what people don't believe in only because for most all my life I have worked on making something that everyone says is impossible. So in such a case that makes me have faith in something that no one else believes in.
In such a case everyone that does not believe that what I have done is real then all must be Atheists in that respect.
But because of free will to all, for what they believe in even if it is not believing in, is what they believe in, I say they are right to think what is true to them, is the right thing to think for them, and never pass judgements to what others don't believe in because it may be just not known yet to them. And being in the dark as far as knowing something that someone else does not know is simply what Human do in the normal course of Life. Stumble to the end of life. Convince they are the only one that knows the truth about how the Universe works. And that works for each person no matter if they wish to pass off there own judgement as to what someone else has in not common with everyone else.

A short introduction to my brain. Dr. Wlazlak - of EttCM Energy Technology and other strange stuff
not to be confused with Perpetual motion Machines and such thing like that
I am from the USA and believe in whoever you are even if you don't believe in Me.

Welcome.

I hope we can get to understand each other a little better, as I must confess to being currently slightly confused by some of the things you have written.

Hello Dr Wlazlak, Welcome to the forum..

Like Mr Black I am struggling a bit parsing your introduction and thought I would ask some questions and seek to make some clarifications that I hope will allow us to better understand each other.

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmWhat is a Atheists?

Someone who lacks a belief in a god i.e. a -theist (without theism). No more than that.

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmSo in such a case that makes me have faith in something that no one else believes in. In such a case everyone that does not believe that what I have done is real then all must be Atheists in that respect.

OK, I am a little confused here, I am not saying to not search for knowledge, but to me the time to 'believe' is when something is shown to be true, until that time it is best for one to withhold belief. However we can still search for it (whatever it is) and try to prove it, which is why I am happy for people to present evidence to prove theism to me. There is a difference between being closed to new knowledge/experience (in psychological terms not being 'open to experience') vs not believing in something before sufficient evidence is presented..

For this reason I am an Agnostic Atheist, I lack belief in a god so I am an atheist, but I am an agnostic atheist as I don't claim to know that no gods exist, just that I have yet to see evidence to justify a belief.

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmBut because of free will to all

Free will is something I do not believe in either, however we may have different meanings of those words, can you define what you mean by that..

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmI say they are right to think what is true to them

Do you believe there a difference between what is 'true to them' and what comports to reality? Do you think that matters?

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmnever pass judgements to what others don't believe in because it may be just not known yet to them

Agreed, ignorance is just the lack of knowledge or incorrect belief, no judgement is warranted.

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmAnd being in the dark as far as knowing something that someone else does not know is simply what Human do in the normal course of Life.

Agreed but do you believe there is anything dangerous about claiming to know something you do not really know?

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:09 pmConvince they are the only one that knows the truth about how the Universe works. And that works for each person no matter if they wish to pass off there own judgement as to what someone else has in not common with everyone else.

I think a great strength in a human is not to fill a lack of knowledge with an unfounded belief but instead to honestly say "I don't know", do you think that is fair?

Hello, So many answers to a simple question: Why do you have to not believe in something and try very hard to prove you are right?
Like I said before, If people believe that they are right, and they do not know outside the realm they exist in

They truly believe they are correct in their own thoughts. And are not incorrect because they exist in their own universe.
The question: is God the same or different to each that does not believe in God? and the same the other way.

The big point to make God is not going to do anything to make a person life different just like in the normal realm of what people do in not helping others in need unless there is something to get in return for what they help with.

So in believing in someone that is never going to do anything for you in life. is just like having a friend that will never help you, talk to you, will never show they really exist, and so on.

But these people do exist. they are the people that run the world you live on.

For a number of years I have been working on Technology that can improve what is going bad on this planet

But most just call me a Crackpot. And again are these people not

Atheists. food for Thought?

Don't quote me on that. Din-ma Tom (aka) Dr. Wlazlak

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:06 pm Hello, So many answers to a simple question: Why do you have to not believe in something and try very hard to prove you are right?

Actually I don't have to prove anything, those making the claims need to prove them. There is nothing for me to prove when I simply say to a theist - "I don't believe you, prove it".

They truly believe they are correct in their own thoughts. And are not incorrect because they exist in their own universe.

So you don't believe there is an objective reality?

The question: is God the same or different to each that does not believe in God? and the same the other way.

Well if one comes here and says they positively believe in god, one of my first questions would be "what god?".

So in believing in someone that is never going to do anything for you in life. is just like having a friend that will never help you, talk to you, will never show they really exist, and so on.

true enough

But these people do exist. they are the people that run the world you live on.

Some do, others just vote.. And here in lies the problem. If they believe and keep their beliefs to themselves then I wouldn't care less.. But as we see around the world various leaders and voters believe in a number of different deities with poor (or no) evidence and the accompanied dogmatic baggage.

Then based on that dogma they push their beliefs onto others making laws to control how we live despite us not sharing their unfounded beliefs. Then instead of having a conversation regarding said laws based on evidence they argue citing 'faith' in unseen forces.

So I care..

If they just had an imaginary friend and didn't try and push that imaginary friends opinions on how others should live their lives, then I wouldn't care less..

For a number of years I have been working on Technology that can improve what is going bad on this planet

If you say so, I await the announcement

Atheists. food for Thought?

nothing yet.

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:06 pm Hello, So many answers to a simple question: Why do you have to not believe in something and try very hard to prove you are right?

(Remainder was elided: I'm only answering one thing.

No effort is required at this point.

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:06 pm Why do you have to not believe in something and try very hard to prove you are right?

Hi Dr.Wlazalak, welcome to the forum.

You don't seem to understand what agnostic atheism entails. Presumably you don't believe in dolphins that can fly and congregate in large schools in the upper reaches of the Himalayan mountains, but only on Tuesdays. How much effort do you spend on that particular non-belief? It's the same amount of effort that I spend in non-belief of the gods - that is, zero effort.

So you've invented something? Cool, good for you. Ahhh...is this the best possible place to announce to the world you've invented something? I'll have to consume my words of course, and freely will i offer my apologies if i'm proven wrong, but if you've come here (clearly a little confused regarding atheism, so likely not an atheist) to announce an invention, i must confess to being in a state of complete skepticism as to the worth of your invention. After all, if you'd invented something worthwhile to our troubled world, i find it somewhat difficult to conceive of a more obscure location for its announcement than here, which leads me to think that you've tried other more appropriate places and have been rejected.

So basically, what have you invented and why are you here?

Dr.Wlazlak wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:06 pmThey truly believe they are correct in their own thoughts. And are not incorrect because they exist in their own universe.
The question: is God the same or different to each that does not believe in God? and the same the other way.

As far as I'm concerned, the people you are talking about who either believe or do not believe in god do NOT exist in their own universe, they exist in the same universe as the rest of us. Just because you have a particular thought, be it right or wrong, it doesn't put you in a different universe. I am just asserting that there is such a thing as objective reality, things that are true for all of use even if a few misguided people don't believe in them.

As for the question about which god we don't believe in, I think for me the answer is that every proposed god I've encountered has failed the test for me so far. If you have a better one, I'm all ears, but it had better be good because there have been some pretty high-effort failures in the past, e.g. the entire edifice of Christianity hasn't convinced me, and I've listened extensively to what it has to offer.

Thank you for Your Comments,
First - I Totally do not believe there is any Gods of any type - the idea of God is a man made idea in order to not have to think too hard about where everything came from in the first place

As for Why I came to this forum - I look for forums that make mentions of Perpetual motion machines The old Australian Atheists Forum That is no longer used making this one a fresh start made mention of such a thing. Here I am then:

Well: As for my invention to save this Planet: It is not that important to do so. As I don't really care that much anyway.

Survey says: There is no reason to share something that people do not want : Energy to run your Car without using fuel. is one.

But people don't seem to want such things - Even if there is no God.

Off I Go (din-ma) Tom

DrW:

Finish the device.
Reveal the working model.
Publish results.
Bask in approbation.

(All of the above would be possible if your theory is true. It makes me wonder why you are wasting time here on a small forum whose core business is not relevant to your alleged discovery.)

Edited to Add:
DrW, perhaps you could tell us what you expect of this humble forum.