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Just in case any happen to be traveling as Living Persons, free upon the land, in this forum, here's a lovely WTFAQ video which provides a six-minute explanation and debunk.



Short version: Ask 'em for court transcripts of any cases where sovcittery has triumphed. Result = crickets.
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Found this!

Sovcittery in court seems like a subspecies of Gish Gallop.

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SovCits fuck up everything, even First Australian culture.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-12/ ... /102968566
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An interesting resource re SovCittery in Oz, and (if I read it right) compiled by an ex-SovCit.

https://freemandelusion.com/

[url=file:///home/black/Downloads/Australian-Pseudolaw-Argumentation-580.pdf]My current reading from the site[/url], with an intro...
Australian Pseudolaw Argumentation

(An analysis by Robert R. Sudy – January 2023)

As observed by Donald J. Netolitzky KC in "A Rebellion of Furious Paper: Pseudolaw As a Revolutionary
Legal System", the pseudolaw memeplex has six core concepts:
1) Everything is a contract
2) Silence means agreement
3) Legal action requires an injured party
4) Government authority is defective or limited
5) The strawman duality
6) Monetary and banking conspiracy theories

The object of this article is to characterise 100 most commonly used individual Australian pseudolaw
arguments or motifs, in order to group them into an identifiable indicia or species of pseudo legal
thought, consistent with the format of these observations.

1. Everything is a contract
Pseudolaw adherents will interpret almost any direction by a police officer, or an invitation by a court for
compliance with court procedure, as the formation of a contract. Hence, they will refuse simple court
directions and processes, such as to pass the bar, sit, stand, enter a plea, or even acknowledge or
confirm their identity. They do not wish to make joinder in contract, believing this is what gives
authorities their jurisdiction. Authorities use “statute law” which to the adherent is “Maritime
Admiralty Law”, (the law of the sea, of commerce and contracts). They believe that for a statute to be
enforceable, either a contract must already exist, (through the shackled strawman duality) or the officer
is merely offering them an invitation to joinder in contract right there.

Hence they become rather pedantic over the use of words and terms and even gestures, believing that
certain commonly used words are also very serious legal terms or Legalese deceitfully intended to trick
the unwitting denizen into this alleged joinder. Whenever police or court officers use the word
“understand”, (eg: asking “Do you understand?”) they are talking in legal code for “Do you stand under
our authority?” The adherent is not ever “driving” a “vehicle”, (these are legal terms) they are “travelling”
in their “automobile” or “private conveyance”. So when asked, they reply that they are “not driving only
travelling“, expecting this response affords a reasonable excuse to unregistered and unlicenced fines.

They do not register their vehicles with the appropriate state authority, as that “Regis“ -tration” would
mean the formation of a contract transferring the title of the “automobile” to the king. The word Includes
holds special significance, as it is taken by the theory as having an exhaustive as opposed to expansive
function, so adherents use it to attempt to create an exemption, claiming they are not whatever
definition actually is in the statute, (eg: “person” or “driver” or “vehicle” etc.) If they find themselves
“under duress” in signing bail agreements or other documents, they will add “V.C.” or “vi coactus” in a
prepared attempt to later disregard and nullify the agreement.
And so it goes...
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Canadian QAnon-sters appear to have bolted.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7bqva/ ... -abandoned
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Getting nastier and changing the titles: sovcits are mutating.
The New South Wales Police Force and other law enforcement agencies around the world have designated sovereign citizens as a potential terrorist threat, but McIntyre said the movement is dropping the name because they view it as a pejorative.

“We see the exact same theories and legal arguments, they’re just not liking the name sovereign citizens,” he said.

“What we’re seeing is a new group of gurus and a new type of adherents.”

Avoiding taxes under claims of sovereignty, and fabricating their invalid licence plates, driver’s licences or currency are other common false pseudo-legal arguments used by sovereign citizens.

McIntyre said it is important that people are educated and engaged about the legal system before they become alienated.

“In that context, it is not unexpected that they’re turning to other things that seem more accessible,” he said.

“But these small number of people are having an utterly disproportionate impact on our legal system.”
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Cooker-Related: Development in the Wieambilla (QLD) shootings:
A man has been arrested by the FBI in the US state of Arizona in connection to the shooting deaths of two young police officers and a civilian neighbour in the rural Queensland community of Wieambilla last year.

The 58-year-old was arrested near Heber Overgaard, north-east of Phoenix, on December 1 US time as part of the investigation into what police have labelled a religiously-motivated terrorist attack.

In a statement, the Queensland Police Service (QPS) said the coroner and the families of Constable Matthew Arnold, Constable Rachel McCrow, and neighbour Alan Dare had been briefed on the developments, as have other officers who were involved.

QPS are expected to reveal more details on the arrest this afternoon.

Investigations are ongoing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-06/ ... /103196120
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Irrev-Black wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:12 pm Cooker-Related: Development in the Wieambilla (QLD) shootings:

SNIP
A man arrested in the US state of Arizona in connection with the religiously-motivated terrorist attack in Wieambilla last year sent the shooters "Christian end-of-days" ideological messages in the months leading up to it, police have revealed.

The 58-year-old, who can now be identified as Donald Day, was arrested near Heber-Overgaard, north-east of Phoenix, on December 1 US time as part of the investigation.
Apparently they're charging (End Of) Day(s)
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with inciting violence online.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-06/ ... /103196120

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/wor ... -shootings
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Irrev-Black wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:47 pmApparently they're charging (End Of) Day(s)




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This is him
with inciting violence online.
Extremist Christian terrorists. It reminds me of ISIS social media specialists in Turkey or wherever they were, reaching out to their grooming targets in Lakemba, who were then motivated to go to Syria and commit atrocities.
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New Zealand sovcit anti-vaxxer in court:
A man found guilty of selling bleach as a cure for Covid-19 walked up to the bench where a District Court judge sat, waving documents around before announcing to the court his guilt was “enslavement”.

A team of security officers rushed Roger William Blake, who goes by the name of “living man Roger William”, as he walked up to, then leant over the bench of a Hamilton District courtroom where Judge Brett Crowley was sitting.

Blake, who walked past probation, media, and counsel to get to the bench - a high desk seated behind the registrar - waved documents in the judge’s face.

Judge Crowley repeatedly asked Blake to take a seat in the courtroom, but the requests were ignored until Blake was dragged into the dock by security.

This morning’s hearing was to enable Judge Crowley to determine sentencing options for Blake after finding him guilty of 29 charges at an earlier trial Blake didn’t turn up to.

The charges related to breaches laid by MedSafe under the Medicines Act, along with others of obstructing a Ministry of Health officer.

There were also charges of making a false statement about himself and his company possessing, advertising and selling products dubbed “MMS”, or Miracle Mineral Solution; essentially chlorine dioxide - bleach - mixed with water.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/antivaxxe ... LPDBLOMNE/
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