Aus Election 2025

[nibble]

This was a victory for decency and a repudiation of the toxic right wing. I dare say Trump had a bearing too. I think it's going to be hard for the libs to come back from this. They are bereft of any decent forward looking leaders. If labor don't screw things up I'd say they will win the next election or two.

[stevebrooks]

This was a victory for decency and a repudiation of the toxic right wing. I dare say Trump had a bearing too. I think it's going to be hard for the libs to come back from this. They are bereft of any decent forward looking leaders. If labor don't screw things up I'd say they will win the next election or two.

Conservatives round the world are stunned and scathing of the Australian election upset, lol!

They come right out and tell us why they lost in the comments they make!

“Our mainstream media is very biased and woke, especially the ABC, and it’s sad how many Australians still rely on them for news.”

“I understand that the Liberal Party is the same as our Conservative Party, and that Labour are communists (like our Labour). Why did this happen?”

“The liberal party have been moving more to the left with each year, betraying core conservative principles. I couldn’t believe the amount of times the liberals agreed and backed policies of Labor, it was the most uniparty I’ve ever seen,” he said.

I mean talk about laugh....media, woke, biased, they just don't get how hugely biased their own world view is!

Labor, communists, I mean this is what every conservative does, labels any political point of view not identical to their own as "communist."

The Liberal party bad because they have been moving to the left? Look, Labor won, why, because they are left wing, support social policies that are good for Australia, at least they try to address the big issues, right wing ideology was exposed as a toxic ideology by Trump. He went so far and fast down that path that everyone immediately saw what a bad idea it was. Previously the right wing in the US had been slowly pushing to the right, the old frogs in hot water theory, do it slowly and people get used to it, do it fast and they realise what's happening and how bad it could get. Trump did that, pushed way to fast and to far all in one move, and look where that's getting him. The more the Coalition moved to the right the worse they became until they finally picked a Trump wannabe so far right he had no chance. They aren't moving to the left at all.

Dreaming these people, that's all they are doing!

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[wolty]

Congratulations Wolty!

Disappointing for Greens. The vote remained steady, 0.07 swing against is not catastrophic. They'll probably have 3 seats in the lower house at best. The idea that would-be greens voters went for the ALP out of fear of Dutton may be true, after all i've been alerted this election to the general public's confusion around preferential voting. It's idiotic.

Also, climate change was barely mentioned this election, which was good for the ALP considering how many new coal-seam gas approvals they've given. They continue to defend the toxic salmon farm industry, they've turned a blind eye to land clearing and so on. And now i'm deeply concerned they'll water down ecological protection policies even more.

Anyway, now's not the time for that. Now is the time to bask in Australia's open rejection of Dutton, nuclear power and maga.

Thanks Mate! Woke up a bit seedy today. Then straight out to start collecting signs.

A couple of thoughts.
I don't think anyone could have guessed this result. Even in safe Labor seats there were big swings to the ALP. I can't remember that happening to an incumbent government.
ALP volunteers work super hard for weeks and weeks before an election. Sign waving, putting signs out, door knocking, phone calls, letterbox dropping, pre-poll. We are so lucky in our seat to have awesome volunteers who work really hard. A lot of the result is the amount of work volunteers put in, not just in our seat.
I felt the entire campaign was going well the whole time on the ground. Sign waving was possibly the most positive I've ever seen. Pre-poll seemed to be just like every other election I've done. Caveat in a safe Labor seat which sometimes doesn't translate to the rest of the election so you're never quite sure.
Everyone has moved on from the Conservatives. The right-wing media keep saying Conservatism in this country isn't right-wing enough. I hope they keep believing that.
Trump had an effect. As did the culture war bullshit. As did Duttons unlikeability. It wasn't just one thing.

Jim Chalmers is super popular here. One of our volunteers Jill (92) had a fall at pre-poll, knocked herself our, broke her shoulder in 3 places and her knee. I saw on the ABC Jim mentioned all his volunteers and made mention of Jill. It's why he's held in such high regard around here.

Edit to add, I've heard a few people, even in Greens electorates say that the CFMEU thing hurt the Greens badly.

[wolty]

Just one more thing. I spent time at 3 schools yesterday. Every single LNP person working the booths that I saw was an Islander. Obviously from a church somewhere. Not that it makes any great difference to the vote other than the LNP in Rankin struggle to get any volunteers at all.

[pipbarber]

On reflection the greens did ok, i think. They actually had more first preference votes than last election, or that is likely. So the vote didn't disappear, it just wasn't electorate concentrated. Bandt is looking ok in Melbourne and i don't know why Ryan in Brisbane hasn't been declared, it will stay green. Very close races in multiple other electorates that greens may lose, but by very small margins. Looking like we'll have 11 greens in the senate, which is very solid.

The best take is that this is a consolidation result. Greens won twice as many votes as One Nation and significantly more than all independents combined. They won more votes than the LNP (QLD) and the Nationals combined. The greens are the third largest party in Australia. There's a lot to work with here.

It's disappointing but the greens can definitely claim some part in Labor's win. They hounded the coalition on their idiotic nuclear brain fart and they have been constant critics of Dutton and coalition policy across the board. They also committed a lot of resources to Dickson and directed preferences to Labor. They've played their part in keeping the right out of power. Hopefully, they can build from here and prosper in the next cycle because they are the ones, along with some independents, that need to hold labor to account for their environmental policies. It's an absolutely crucial task, because the coalition sure as fuck aren't going to do it.

[pipbarber]

If I look at if from the point of view of celebrating the defeat of a batshit crazy ragtag army of climate denying liberals, yes, it's a win for the climate.

I need to find a better way to calibrate my feelings abut climate action and politics. With the political conditions we have now, I don't think any government could win if they put forward the sort of climate policies I have in mind (degrowth, energy austerity, etc.)

Yeah, i'm the same but i'm currently under the influence of Rutgart Bregman and he would probably say right now that you can't dismiss what is good because it's not perfect. On the other hand, we can't just sit back and relax, labor need to be pushed and harassed and hounded to act on the environment, but at least that's doable, which it wouldn't be had Dutton won the day. But still, we need more from the ALP.

If labor can push hard on renewables over the next three years we might reach the point where cheap renewable energy starts to flow to a critical mass that will put to bed the energy debate forever. The future is solar, and maybe wind, but definitely renewable. That's good. It's not going to do anything for climate change over the next 3 years, of course, but in the longer term it seems to make sense.

I'm struggling but i'm grimly...happy. Tiredly optimistic. Doubtfully hopeful.

[stevebrooks]

If labor can push hard on renewables over the next three years we might reach the point where cheap renewable energy starts to flow to a critical mass that will put to bed the energy debate forever. The future is solar, and maybe wind, but definitely renewable. That's good. It's not going to do anything for climate change over the next 3 years, of course, but in the longer term it seems to make sense.

Same here, if I had my way solar power systems would be mandatory on all new builds, offices, homes, schools, hotels, everything would have at least a minimum required solar power system, batteries would be optional, up to the home/business owner, but a good idea, the solar power systems would be heavily subsidised and all feed in to the grid when not charging or powering home systems. Some might say that it would increase the cost of housing, and some might say, why the fuck are we building solar power systems in the fucking desert to send power all the way to cities to power homes when the power can be generated right there where it's fucking needed?

Anyway, yes would be hard sell, but it's needed for sure if we are going to stave off climate change and environmental disaster!

[stylofone]

If labor can push hard on renewables over the next three years we might reach the point where cheap renewable energy starts to flow to a critical mass that will put to bed the energy debate forever. The future is solar, and maybe wind, but definitely renewable. That's good. It's not going to do anything for climate change over the next 3 years, of course, but in the longer term it seems to make sense.

Same here, if I had my way solar power systems would be mandatory on all new builds, offices, homes, schools, hotels, everything would have at least a minimum required solar power system, batteries would be optional, up to the home/business owner, but a good idea, the solar power systems would be heavily subsidised and all feed in to the grid when not charging or powering home systems. Some might say that it would increase the cost of housing, and some might say, why the fuck are we building solar power systems in the fucking desert to send power all the way to cities to power homes when the power can be generated right there where it's fucking needed?

Anyway, yes would be hard sell, but it's needed for sure if we are going to stave off climate change and environmental disaster!

Actually I think I'm going to take advantage of one election bribe and add a battery to my 6kW rooftop solar. I already do pretty well with self-usage and feed-in, but a battery would give me the extra nudge to have zero or even negative energy costs. It won't save much money immediately, but with a subsidy it is more attractive.

Pip your "critical mass" is a nice idea, I don't see it on the horizon right now in terms of emissions reduction. The esteemed Mr Bregman (whose book I am now reading) hasn't been able to offer me reassurance on this issue, although in other areas he's a big help. But his homo puppy must be balanced with the concept of the resource-hungry homo colossus. Maybe that makes us homo Clifford the big red dog!

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