Australian Atheists Forum

Mr Zelensky, according to sources present, then hit Mr Biden with a list of other demands, to which the 46th president lost his temper and shouted to Mr Zelensky that he should show a little more gratitude.

So spare me the carry on about how Mr Trump’s conversation – which was on similar lines – was an abandonment of Ukraine.

Nor can NATO and the US put boots on the ground, because Russia would call in China and then you’d also have World War III.

Russia cannot bomb the living daylights out of Ukraine and claim the whole country, because that would draw the NATO forces of Europe and the US into a full-blown war and you’d have World War III.

Ukraine and Russia seemingly have a willingness to end the war, but the problem is, it will not happen without concessions on both sides.

Russia has captured about one-fifth of Ukraine. You’re not getting that back without World War III and, on a global scale, the reclamation of that land is clearly not worth the destruction it would cause.

There is no way to force Russia’s hand, when it has an unholy alliance with China, to end the war.

nibble wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:03 pm "But it makes sense when you realize his goal is to create something like Russia where the economy is run by a few oligarchs loyal to him,"

https://www.msn.com/en-au/politics/gove ... xxmZfapSNA

pipbarber wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:56 pm

nibble wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:03 pm "But it makes sense when you realize his goal is to create something like Russia where the economy is run by a few oligarchs loyal to him,"

https://www.msn.com/en-au/politics/gove ... xxmZfapSNA

I can't open that article so i hope i'm not saying what it said, but one might make a lot of money from shorting the market just before a tariff war is announced, or any market sensitive announcement, which Trump continually makes. He and his could be doing this, it's certainly feasible.

But then again, there's Hanlon's razor. Hard to dismiss that.

stylofone wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 6:47 pm Skum keeps on blowing up rockets and his cultists say "that was the most brilliant failure ever, that failure only makes the next success even more glorious."

Trump seems to be doing the same with the US economy, its global alliances, and any hope that America will be able to compete with China in EVs and renewable energy. So much more chaos. It is such a bin fire.

My fear is that when the failures start to burn Trump's followers, the fascist playbook calls for scapegoating of minorities, using hate and violence to prolong the hypnotic effect and use their own failures to entrench tyrannical power.

A contrary, optimistic assessment is that they believe their own bullshit so much, they won't actually HAVE a plan when they smell the smoke coming from their own burning arses.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... r-AA1Aoveu

According to the report, Trump’s inner circle has been engaged in “secret discussions” about whether Ukraine could hold snap presidential elections, potentially paving the way for Zelensky’s ousting.

But he also “brought up something much more fundamental”.

“He told Mr Trudeau that he did not believe that the treaty that demarcates the border between the two countries was valid and that he wants to revise the boundary,” The Times reports.

“He offered no further explanation.”

The treaty finalising the boundary between the two countries was established in 1908.

“Mr Trump also mentioned revisiting the sharing of lakes and rivers between the two nations, which is regulated by a number of treaties, a topic he’s expressed interest about in the past,” The Times reports.

“Canadian officials took Mr Trump’s comments seriously, not least because he had already publicly said he wanted to bring Canada to its knees.”

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which sits underneath Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr, is planning a large study into potential connections between vaccines and autism, Reuters reports.

Prior scientific research has either disproven or failed to find any links between vaccines and autism, the causes of which remain unclear.

The planned study comes as the US battles a large measles outbreak, fuelled by declining vaccination rates. Mr Kennedy has long sowed doubt about the safety of the combined measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.

But then came that White House meeting when poor little Volodomyr Zelensky was hauled in front of the world’s press and openly bullied in what, let’s face it, is his third language. Soon, the whole gang was at it, demanding to know why he hadn’t sent the people of America a thank-you letter and why he wasn’t wearing a suit. Had he not been thrown out after a few minutes, it’s fairly certain someone would have said his dad was a poof and that he smelled like wee and poo. Some have called this scene “an uncomfortable watch”. But it was worse than that. It was despicable.
And since then, things have got worse. Trump sided with Russia and North Korea in a United Nations vote on Ukraine. He pulled American military support completely and when various European leaders met to decide on how best to deal with this, JD Vance, the vice-president, scoffed, describing Britain and France as random countries who haven’t fought a war for 30 or 40 years.
Now I don’t want to stoop to his level, but I’m going to. Vance is a bearded God-botherer who pretty much thinks that women who’ve been raped should be forced to have the resultant child. I’ve searched for the right word to describe him and I think it’s “twat”. He also has no clue about history.
Because far more recently than 30 or 40 years ago, as Vance claimed last week, our brave young men were being blown to pieces in some godforsaken desert to support whatever madcap scheme the American president had embarked upon that week. And let’s not forget that while they were out there, dying in agony, the UK was still paying the US back for all the weapons we’d bought from them to defeat Hitler in the Second World War. In fact the last payment for all their “help” was for £43 million in 2006.