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stylofone wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 3:33 pmBoth Albanese and Dutton made excuses for the Orange buffoon when he revealed he doesn't even know what AUKUS is.

Wait until he finds out about the submarines, I am honestly of the opinion that one day will find out, call it the worst deal in history, rip it up and keep all the money already paid! That's the Trump way!

stylofone wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:42 pm

I wonder how much of the Australian Trump fanbase are starting to work it out: Trump holds Australia in contempt. He is "America first" all the way. To be pro-Trump is to be anti-Australia, no matter how much you agree with him about wokeness or shower nozzles or whatever he is ranting about at the time. The Trumpists WILL have to choose between their cherished Australian patriotism and Trumpism. I hope they come to understand that, and it thins out their numbers before it comes to civil war. In Canada and the UK the conservatives have worked it out, or some of them. Even Farage, and Marine le Pen's mob have been a bit shocked at times at how team Trump expects them to behave.

There's also an emerging clarity about how much of a bona fide fascist Trump really is. There's a sort of a smokescreen that he's a businessman, he's transactional, he puts a dollar value on everything. That might explain why he's trying to swindle the Ukrainians for their rare earths. But the other side of it is that he really agrees with Putin's approach to take what he covets, just because he can. Might is right. It's compatible with Trump's Greenland statements, also the Panama canal, Gaza, Canada as the 51st State. Like Hitler and his lebensraum, like Saddam and his grab for Kuwait, Trump wants to grab something for himself too.

Well if my brother-in-law is anything to go by, then the fan base is strong and resolute. Last night over dinner, someone opened the can regarding how Trump et al handled Zylenskyy, and it was not pretty. The volume of MAGA garbage that spewed from his mouth was astounding and disturbing. I'll spare the details, but the only thing he conceded was that "maybe" Trump could not have prevented the invasion. I'm convinced that there is no changing these people.

nibble wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:44 am

stylofone wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:42 pm

I wonder how much of the Australian Trump fanbase are starting to work it out: Trump holds Australia in contempt. He is "America first" all the way. To be pro-Trump is to be anti-Australia, no matter how much you agree with him about wokeness or shower nozzles or whatever he is ranting about at the time. The Trumpists WILL have to choose between their cherished Australian patriotism and Trumpism. I hope they come to understand that, and it thins out their numbers before it comes to civil war. In Canada and the UK the conservatives have worked it out, or some of them. Even Farage, and Marine le Pen's mob have been a bit shocked at times at how team Trump expects them to behave.

There's also an emerging clarity about how much of a bona fide fascist Trump really is. There's a sort of a smokescreen that he's a businessman, he's transactional, he puts a dollar value on everything. That might explain why he's trying to swindle the Ukrainians for their rare earths. But the other side of it is that he really agrees with Putin's approach to take what he covets, just because he can. Might is right. It's compatible with Trump's Greenland statements, also the Panama canal, Gaza, Canada as the 51st State. Like Hitler and his lebensraum, like Saddam and his grab for Kuwait, Trump wants to grab something for himself too.

Well if my brother-in-law is anything to go by, then the fan base is strong and resolute. Last night over dinner, someone opened the can regarding how Trump et al handled Zylenskyy, and it was not pretty. The volume of MAGA garbage that spewed from his mouth was astounding and disturbing. I'll spare the details, but the only thing he conceded was that "maybe" Trump could not have prevented the invasion. I'm convinced that there is no changing these people.

No doubt I underestimate the levels of cognitive dissonance and the tolerance they have for it.

The way for it to be consistent is to have an Australian form of Trumpism... we end aid to the Pacific, unless we can claw the money back by taking possession of mines, etc.. We revoke recognition of PNG's independence, put tariffs on Indonesia because of boat arrivals. I'm slightly disturbed because some of that is already under way, in the form of exploitation of mineral resources in PNG.

This is diplomacy in the Trump administration:

Officials say minerals deal would serve as commitment to US security guarantee and Ukraine leader shouldn’t have pressed issue

They wanted him to sign the minerals over before getting any agreement or commitment on security, literally the worst act of diplomacy the world has ever seen, just agree to everything Trump says, sign the minerals deal and we will talk about security later, that's not how you diplomat.....these people have no idea how diplomacy works, you don't give away all your stuff then hope they will do what they have hinted they will do. These people have no idea what they are doing!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -zelenskyy

Courtesy of PZ Myers



Oh my, it's really getting quite dark and scary in maga world, and i am not in the tiniest bit surprised.

pipbarber wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 6:06 pm Courtesy of PZ Myers



Oh my, it's really getting quite dark and scary in maga world, and i am not in the tiniest bit surprised.

A lot of the red-capped deplorables won't care about this sort of thing, but some will. I also wonder about the mad rabid dog foreign policy - Ukraine, Gaza, Greenland. It sounds uncomfortably hawkish. It's like Trump is getting the taste for a few "forever wars" of his own. Also Skum, DOGE, and his child soldiers might give a few MAGA dills pause, and say "this isn't what we voted for". A few.

I heard an expert on the radio saying the REAL issue they voted for was the same one dominating here: the cost of living. Trump was going to fix inflation. And on that, there are some ominous signs. There are "don't panic" messages embedded in this article, but my sentiment at the moment is "fire in the hole!". All I've seen so far from Trump V2 is a sort of "move fast and break things" juggernaut. I just expect everything to go to complete shit very quickly - inflation, higher interest rates, economic collapse, civil unrest, global tensions, Putin on the march. Am I crying wolf? Can anyone convince me that America is not about to burn?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/other/t ... r-AA1A3M5S

stylofone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:31 pm ...Am I crying wolf? Can anyone convince me that America is not about to burn?

Almost certainly not me.

I'm struggling to believe there'll be a midterm vote next year, they can't possibly risk it. Either that or they'll try to rig the vote, in various ways, but that would require considered logistical work (and they're a bunch of lazy fucking goons), it'd be easier just to cancel them. There'll be an emergency...which there most likely will be, so that may even constitute a fact!

But actually i'm finding it hard to imagine what the next week is going to produce, let alone how an election in 20 months time will be conducted. America has entered some kind of bizarre death spiral - at the hands of a reality TV star and a billionaire (which is comically appropriate, in a dark kind of way). They've been consumed by their own culture.

stylofone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:31 pmI heard an expert on the radio saying the REAL issue they voted for was the same one dominating here: the cost of living. Trump was going to fix inflation. And on that, there are some ominous signs.

On the tariffs, days ago Trump was touting how the tariffs would be so great for the US auto industry, they are bringing back car manufacturing to the US. Well they aren't because it costs about 4b dollars and 5 years or so to build a car manufacturing plant, but anyway, the day after tariffs arrived to save the US auto industry the price for a Dodge Ram went from $80,000 to, yes you guessed it, $100,000, now they can't sell them! Suddenly we have a 30 day pause on tariffs on cars, so wtf are car makers supposed to do? How can you plan when it's tariffs one day, no tariffs the next, and tariffs again in 30 days, or less knowing Trump, wait till the Mexican government reveals its own response to US tariffs on Sunday, Trump will start blathering again and suddenly auto tariffs will be back bigger and better than before!

The fact is, you can't do business with the US at the moment, because you have no idea what your input and output costs will be, for instance manufacturers won't sign contracts for steel and aluminium because who knows how much they will actually be paying in 30 days? Nobody! Its madness that can only serve to drive companies away from the US and depress manufacturing, oh well.

Mid-term elections you say? Will the US even still exist as a country by then? Will they be in civil war, will States be trying to secede from the Federation? Chaos in the streets, violence, mayhem? Maybe, elections? maybe not!

The Democrats and those ridiculous little signs they held up during Trump's speech, my god.

I don't think it has quite dawned on them yet that if they wish to be an opposition they are going to have to face the fact that the US constitution and it's electoral system are no longer viable. They are not viable because maga is proving that they do not protect the nation from autocracy, and if that is so, unless you change the constitution the possibility of an autocratic takeover of the state will remain forever, thus rendering the US an entirely unreliable chaotic nation state.

Instead, they're pointing at the constitution as if it's going to save them, but it isn't. They're in dreamworld, as usual. But really, they can't bare the thought of stopping the gravy train they've gorged on themselves, it's just too unfathomable. They're a happy opposition playing their impotent part, i'm sure they'll make lots and lots of little signs to prove something or other.

That's probably a bit harsh? At some point reality will dawn on them perhaps. At some point they'll join a resistance, but at the moment they're a part of the machine that is maga.

pipbarber wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:01 pmThe Democrats and those ridiculous little signs they held up during Trump's speech, my god.

Yeah I, I can't understand it, when they started dragging that coloured guy out they should have all stood up and followed him, this, you know what this sounds like?

Call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard and hit it fast with a major; and I mean major; leaflet campaign

That's the Democrats, but you know who actually said it? I don't need to tell you do I?