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In retrospect we should not be surprised that those who committ genocide lie in its service

Up to now Israel is daily sending a train of Palestinian children to Aushwitz

Wilcox!

Alerted to this by PZ Myers.

Absolutely brilliant dismantling of Morgon. The mockery of Piers is on such a refined and sublime level that he can't even grasp it.

wadaye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:01 am In retrospect we should not be surprised that those who committ genocide lie in its service

They all lie, Hamas was saying Israel intentionally targeted the hospital but then intercepted calls get released..

But yes, don't get me wrong, Hamas and IDF/Netanyahu are as bad as each other, neither has regard for the people in Gaza and as I suggested earlier with reports Netanyahu ignored multiple intelligence reports that Hamas would attack (and had been supporting them in favour of the PA as you correctly pointed out), him not even really caring about Israeli lives either is NOT a shock.

Unfortunately in this era of fakes nothing is certain. Israel regularly denies that it shot 36000 people during the great march of return and also Shireen Abu Akleh then admits it when they are caught. I mean they travelled with fake Australian passports so why not also make a recording too. I am not saying that its proven to be fake, but then, why not make a recording like that.

pipbarber wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:33 am Alerted to this by PZ Myers.

Absolutely brilliant dismantling of Morgon. The mockery of Piers is on such a refined and sublime level that he can't even grasp it.

Wow, I'm laughing, crying, angry. Definitely brilliant.

It reminds me of a South African student when I was a uni, he said in South Africa the term "black humour" had a particular meaning, it referred to a sort of survival mechanism of people suffering under the vicious apartheid regime. They would laugh at the most terrible things, white people would be shocked, but black people knew what it meant.

And in the context of comedy, I can say I sometimes think of the South Park episode featuring Scuzzlebutt, where hunters are banned from killing endangered animals unless it is in self-defence, so before they open fire they ALWAYS say "it's coming right for us", whether it's true or not.

Artillery and bombing have historically been a very imprecise form of warfare. Donald Rumsfeld was unapologetic for civilian deaths during the Iraq war, explaining that American weapons are designed to kill people. The underlying assumption in his comments was that America had uttered the magic words "it's coming right for us". Now we have this mass death in Gaza, and I know Hamas didn't even bother to say "it's coming right for us", but that doesn't make me believe it's true when Israel says it as they reduce a few more streets to rubble.

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“Humanitarian crisis” has a natural disaster vibe as if there’s no way of stopping those bombs falling out of the sky or turning the water back on and we’ll just have to work around it.

In relation to the recording, if I was Israel, the Country, I would make up an audio recording and release it for sure. Coubtries after all have interests not morality
In relation to the true cause of the bombibg if Israel actually cared for the truth they would allow in investigators

Really after the Hamas attacks the Israelis should have rallied agaibst the real enemy the Netanyahu and settler colonial movements. But no they for the most part united in hatred and made themselves lapdogs under Netanyahu and they continue to kill their own people held hostage in Gaza.
Praise to those Jews who have denounced the genocide.

I suppose that people identify their personal interests as aligbed with and protected by even provided for by the state and hence they identify with it like colonial organisms.
That applies in Australia as much as Israel