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nibble
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Re: Climate Change

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Snippet from Landman explaining need for oil. Not saying I agree but makes some valid points. Also, is a good series.

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Re: Climate Change

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nibble wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:47 am Snippet from Landman explaining need for oil. Not saying I agree but makes some valid points. Also, is a good series.

It's a denialist spiel because he ignores the climate disaster, which is worse than every bad thing he lists about ending oil. The things he lists in his argument that we need oil for include garbage bags, FFS. We don't need garbage bags. A garbage-bag free world would be a better world IMO.

I agree that the emissions from building the energy transition should be taken into account. Wind turbines are like EVs, making them is emissions intensive, but if they replace coal//oil/gas they end up reducing emissions. So they are bad, but oil is worse, Mr Oilman.

If we were to heed the clear advice to stop burning fossil fuels in a timely fashion (i.e. immediately), we wouldn't be able to make renewables and we'd have to have a form of energy austerity. It seems to me that this would require a redesign of our lifestyles which is not actually being promulgated by any of the major parties, not even the Greens. The only thing which would motivate us to stave off the disaster is the disaster itself... that's my doomist perspective.
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Re: Climate Change

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stylofone wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:45 pmwe need oil for include garbage bags, FFS. We don't need garbage bags.
Ah yes classic misdirection, using proper environmental methods garbage becomes a non-issue. Green waste collected and recycled, cardboard and paper recycled, aluminium and glass recycled, food waste recycled for animal feed, in fact I notice the majority of waste in our home garbage bins is actually plastic. Plastic bottles, plastic food wrappers (not so much bottles now we have local bottle collection.) so what he's saying is we need plastic garbage bags to store plastic waste, that's essentially it, nearly all other forms of waste is in fact recyclable or not environmentally harmful, it just needs to be stored and treated properly.
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