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Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:06 am
by stevebrooks
Trump was asked about trade deals before leaving for the G7 Summit in Canada, will we see any announced there, his reply?
We have plenty of trade deals, all we need to do is send them a letter and that's what they pay
Right, that's how international trade deals work, you just tell them what they are going to pay!


Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:15 pm
by stevebrooks
Trump has just warned 10 million people to evacuate Tehran, does he know how much ten million is, because getting ten million people out of a city in a few hours just isn't possible? Another aircraft carrier is in the area and a large number of tactical bombers and fuel tankser have left the US bases bound for the middle east.
First, it was Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday asking the residents of part of Tehran to leave, then US President Donald Trump told “everyone” to evacuate the capital tonight.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2kqkd03xn5t
The Pentagon is expanding its military presence in the Middle East and Europe in response to worsening hostilities between Israel and Iran, U.S. officials said Monday, sending refueling planes and an additional aircraft carrier among the resources dispatched.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... rael-iran/

This idiot is actually going to start WW3, what does he think he's doing? For evacuating Tehran there's only 2 possible reasons, a nuclear strike, yeah unlikely, or carpet bombing link Dresden in WW2. This is the "no wars" President? What a mob of idiots.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:09 pm
by stevebrooks
Oh yes, forgot to mention Trump left early, standing up Albo and the discussions about AUKUS, that's how important that is. In fact he is rushing back to the US and has ordered the ready room to be set up so something serious is happening in the Middle East, the US is about to go to war...again, in the Middle East, did they not learn from the last, what was it, dozen times or more? It will end badly, hopefully for Trump, but it will be worse for the innocent civilians caught up in the crossfire.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:19 pm
by stylofone
pipbarber wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:37 pm ...

I find it striking that Israel, Iran and Maga America all have theocratic motivations. They're also lead by, as the article headlines, 'angry old men'. It's right to question the sanity of each of them, as Tisdall does. As long as each of them remain in power, and with Putin watching on (another angry old man), this could end everything on earth. And again i ask...for what? Iron age fantasies and frail egos? It's pathetic.
This morning I read the two articles below, rehashing what we already know about Trump. In addition to TACO, we also have what I call TICI (Trump is completely incompetent). He dumped Obama's nuclear agreement with Iran, huffed and puffed about making his own marvelous "deal", while Netanyahu has decided he can go hell-for-leather without the assent of the US President. Trump is left to pretend he has substantial influence over what happens in the Middle East. In fact he has relinquished it. His ineptitude/corruption is underlined by his gobsmacking suggestion that Putin might be able to negotiate peace.

Now he has left the G7 early. I would have thought the G7 would be a good place for a US President to rally support of Europe, Canada and Japan to present a united front to the belligerent parties. Of course Trump is too arrogant to do anything collaborative. He is worse than any of them... maybe Giorgia Meloni is close to his level, I'm not sure, but I find it hard to believe anyone would be as inept as Trump, and on Ukraine at least she has not been completely horrible.

So Trump is going back to his supervillain lair, but he has no powers, or maybe he is more like Bizarro, except he never deserves any sympathy. (Sorry, I'm rambling now, better stop typing).

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-amer ... 5m7pc.html

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-17/ ... /105424052

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:16 pm
by pipbarber
I think Trump left the summit because he really can't talk with with adults and it made him feel insecure. Trump is Trump when the camera is rolling, a big old show. He's totally fine when surrounded by his sycophantic maga mob and he's totally fine when surrounded by his grifting corrupt family/business people and he's extra when Fox news want to interview him, but not so good when he has to speak to actual serious adults who also have a grasp of reality and insist on imposing it when in discussions. Trump is a deer in headlights in these conditions, he can't keep up, he doesn't know or really care what they're talking about but he knows they're not talking about him so why should he stick around?

That's my take. I don't think he went home for the purpose of doing anything but play golf. War with Iran is based on a different logic but i don't think it's connected to his premature return from the adults room.

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:52 am
by stevebrooks
Yep, they're going in, the no war president has confirmed they will attack unless Iran gives up their nuclear program, but since there's no inspection or checking how are they going to confirm that, a promise from the leaders?
Donald Trump has reportedly greenlit attack plans for Iran ahead of his White House Situation Room meeting, after telling the press he “may” or “may not” order US forces to join the conflict.

The President told senior aides late on Tuesday (US time) he had approved the plans but was waiting to see if Iran would abandon its nuclear program, three sources familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal.

It comes as Russia has warned the US not to get involved, stressing it “would radically destabilise the entire situation”.
This is of course after Kristi Noem, Trump's head of Homeland Security claimed they were years away from getting a nuclear weapon:
But US intelligence assessments had reached a different conclusion – not only was Iran not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon, it was also up to three years away from being able to produce and deliver one to a target of its choosing, according to four people familiar with the assessment.
I mean if you don't believe your own intelligence how exactly is the Iranian government supposed to convince you they aren't pursuing nuclear weapons.

Yep they're going in, nothing to stop them now, should also point out a lot of Chinese planes have been mysteriously heading for Iran and vanishing from tracking system, something big going on here and it looks like the Chinese may be planning a surprise to embarrass the US!

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/poli ... years-away

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:20 pm
by joele
I think the problem is, regardless of what various analysts say on either side, no one actually knew what Iran was doing as they were not complying with the IAEA as per the pervious agreements.

The International Atomic Energy Agency report is as below
Summary
30. The Agency’s JCPOA-related verification and monitoring has been seriously affected by the
cessation of implementation by Iran of its nuclear-related commitments under the JCPOA. The situation
has been exacerbated by Iran’s subsequent decision to have all of the Agency’s JCPOA-related
surveillance and monitoring equipment removed.

31. The Agency has lost continuity of knowledge in relation to the production and current inventory
of centrifuges, rotors and bellows, heavy water and UOC, which it will not be able to restore as a result
of not having been able to perform JCPOA-related verification and monitoring activities for more than
four years.

32. Iran’s decision to remove all of the Agency’s equipment previously installed in Iran for
JCPOA-related surveillance and monitoring activities has also had detrimental implications for the
Agency’s ability to provide assurance of the peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear programme.

33. It has also been more than four years since Iran stopped provisionally applying its Additional
Protocol. Therefore, throughout this period, Iran has not provided updated declarations and the Agency
has not been able to conduct complementary access to any sites and other locations in Iran.

34. The significantly increased production and accumulation of highly enriched uranium by Iran, the
only non-nuclear-weapon State to produce such nuclear material, is of serious concern.

35. The Director General will continue to report as appropriate.
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/file ... 025-24.pdf

Re: Donald Trump

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:33 pm
by pipbarber
Scary article.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... itarianism
It reads like a checklist of milestones on the road to autocracy.

A succession of opposition politicians, including Alex Padilla, a US senator, are handcuffed and arrested by heavy-handed law enforcement for little more than questioning authority or voicing dissent.

A judge is arrested in her own courthouse and charged with helping a defendant evade arrest.

Masked snatch squads arrest and spirit people away in public in what seem to be consciously intimidating scenes.

The president deploys the military on a dubious legal premise to confront protesters contesting his mass roundups of undocumented migrants.

A senior presidential aide announces that habeas corpus – a vital legal defence for detainees – could be suspended.