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Twenty aid trucks... how many people deprived of food, water, medicine, fuel?

Fuck, that's going to go a long way.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/m ... ucks-gaza/

Simple fact about the hospital attack is that its only about ten percent of the civilians killed or buried and uncounted anyway. And its just the start. So even if it was a misfired rocket one has to acknowledge that in war a civilian population under military attack is entitled to fight back too. Noone would say the Warsaw Ghettoe uprising was unjustified. By the time Israel has already said that five to one civilian deaths does not even begin to address their desire for blood vengeance it is readily apparent that the real issue is depopulating, and decivilising, the Gaza population. Dehumanising in fact then killing some more.
That brings into stark relief the ecological basis of the conflict which is competitive exclusion from access to land and resources of the Palestinians. Of course the basic idea was a fift from Europe for compensation for the competitive extermination suffered by Jews under European imperialism. It also has to be saidthat the Holocaust was carried out by a Christian population.

Israel wants to competitively exclude the Palestinian population and to render them as mere Arabs, stateless refugees. To that end the extirpation of their humanity and civilisation and lives is a national priority for the Israeli state.

It may have taken 17 years of siege from Israel to get the reaction itneeded in order to cover itto move into the next phase but sure enough it worked just the same.

I am talking here about inferring motivation of the state from the actions and end point of its actions.

Choosing to fight and kill in this way has detrimental costs to both parties in the conflict. That is a factor of the energy committed to the conpetitive fight to the death and the evolution of both parties to fitness for that purpose, rather than some other purpose siëuch as coexistence. I am talkibg here about the pseudo creatures the Israeli state and the Hamas organisation.
Neither party has had to take the course taken even till today. It is no excuse for Israel to say oh Hamas started it.
It is also disingenuous for the rest of the world to acknowledge the right of self defence if Israel he state but not of the Palestinian people, presumably because it does not have a state.
Hamas form of self defence is a war crime no doubt but we lie to ourselves if we dont acknowledge that it occurs in the context of war. We lie to the world if we don't acknowledge Israeli war crimes while condemning Hamas war crimes.
And for Israel, read, the west

Actually given that Israel is the occupying power it has a responsibility to take the refugees into Israel proper for their safety.
The esence is that Israel considers them to be foreign, Arab. But in fact they are Palestinian

Aljazeera the listening post reports that the so called Hamas telephone intercept has non Gazan accents poor syntax and out of context, I.e. almost certainly fake
... actually fake.
Also Biden made no apology for spreading hsi genocidal propaganda.

Oz media seems to be quietly biased.

In the Israeli parliament...

My former boss MK @AidaTuma said in Knesset that no child, neither Jew nor Palestinian, is guilty and that no child should be a victim of this blood cycle.

MK Merav Ben-Ari, a member of Lapid’a party, responded: “The children in Gaza brought it upon themselves.“

Interview with an Israeli anarchist.

Some gems...

The only alternative is a binational Arab-Jewish movement. But there is a lot of despair right now, and there is a sense that almost nobody wants to listen to the other. Yet one thing worth mentioning is spontaneous mutual aid springing up where the government is not there. The State is not fulfilling its function anywhere. The response to the Hamas attack was an absolute Israeli fiasco in terms of intelligence; it took 8 hours for the army to respond, people were completely abandoned, the whole thing was a total mess, and people were scared. So the people themselves organised and set up kindergartens and helped each other. That was something very anarchistic. I am not saying the people are anarchists, but here are the seeds of mutual aid, which is something to be positive about. I think there is an absolute loss of legitimacy of the Netanyahu government – he is not taking any responsibility, and they continue with lies and fake news – the government will pay the price.

We have to remember it has always been an explicit policy of the Israeli government to maintain Hamas in Gaza, to continue passing money to Hamas in Gaza, to maintain the split between Hamas and Fatah, and to prevent any Palestinian unity and the establishment of any kind of Palestinian state. Netanyahu is on record having said in government meetings that whoever wants to prevent the formation of a Palestinian state has to maintain Hamas and strengthen Hamas. I think the idea that Hamas can just be wiped out for some other regime to be installed in Gaza is impossible without some comprehensive, internationally brokered peace settlement, or at least a longer-term settlement. But I don’t know of any superpower with the ability or the interest to impose it right now.

Evacuation into Egypt is what Israelis would want. Jordan accepting more refugees and emptying Gaza would be successful ethnic cleansing because it wouldn’t be temporary. Egypt refuses to accept refugees because the Palestinians would never be allowed back.

The whole thing would be well worth your time to read.

https://freedomnews.org.uk/2023/10/22/a ... anarchist/

Friend, huh?

Very quotable:

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Criticizing Hamas doesn't mean you hate Muslims.

Criticizing the Israel govt doesn't mean you hate Jews.

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