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stylofone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:25 pm Everyone is so invested in the middle east, be it for religious, political or other reasons, I sometime wonder whether caring about it so much actually fuels the conflict. If it was seen only as a dispute between those people living on that land, rather than a proxy for religious and political aspirations of much of the rest of the world, would the conflict have been resolved by now? Are we making it worse by caring so much? I'm sure those better versed in the discipline of peace studies have delved into this question which popped into my undisciplined and sketchily educated brain.

pipbarber wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:12 pm ...
... one of the three monotheistic deity men will swoop down from heaven and settle matters, at some point.
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two dogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:22 pm

pipbarber wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:12 pm ...
... one of the three monotheistic deity men will swoop down from heaven and settle matters, at some point.
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Three? Aren't Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all Abrahamic religions that beleive in the same god?

two dogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:22 pm

pipbarber wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:12 pm ...
... one of the three monotheistic deity men will swoop down from heaven and settle matters, at some point.
...

Three? Aren't Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all Abrahamic religions that beleive in the same god?

two dogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:22 pm

pipbarber wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:12 pm ...
... one of the three monotheistic deity men will swoop down from heaven and settle matters, at some point.
...

Three? Aren't Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all Abrahamic religions that beleive in the same god?

joele wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:03 pm

two dogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:22 pm

pipbarber wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:12 pm ...
... one of the three monotheistic deity men will swoop down from heaven and settle matters, at some point.
...

Three? Aren't Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all Abrahamic religions that beleive in the same god?

Depends which one you ask, I would hazard many Muslims would say yes, many Christians (I think) would say only Judaism and Christianity (but more likely to say yes than jews) and most Jews I have known would say the other two worship fundamentally different gods..

Irrev-Black wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:22 pm

joele wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:03 pm

two dogs wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:22 pm
Three? Aren't Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all Abrahamic religions that beleive in the same god?

Depends which one you ask, I would hazard many Muslims would say yes, many Christians (I think) would say only Judaism and Christianity (but more likely to say yes than jews) and most Jews I have known would say the other two worship fundamentally different gods..

Just don't mention Zoroaster!

What other holes are there in the Israeli narrative?
Israel has claimed that the Palestinian rocket that it says supposedly hit the hospital was fired from the southwest.

However, the conclusions of two analyses published on Friday express serious doubt in that narrative – and found that the projectile that hit the hospital was fired from the direction of Israel.

Forensic Architecture, a research group based at the University of London, analysed photos of the impact crater at the scene, saying that “patterns of radial fragmentation on the southwest side of the impact crater, as well as a shallow channel leading into the crater from the northeast” indicate the projectile likely came from the northeast – “the direction of the Israeli-controlled side of the Gaza perimeter”.

Chris Cobb-Smith, an investigator and explosives expert, also agreed the evidence indicated the projectile may have come from the opposite direction claimed by the Israeli military, according Forensic Architecture.

This lined up with the conclusions of a so-called “Doppler Effect analysis” by the Earshot audio investigation group, which looked at sound waves related to distance, and found that the missile likely approached from the northeast, east, or southeast, but not from the west as Israel’s military has claimed.

joele wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:12 am So articles in Guardian and BBC saying it was a fuel explosion not a projectile that did the damage, BBC showing video footage sourced from al jazeera itself as evidence (documenting said failed rocket launch moment before the hospital explosion), now Al Jazerra implying it was a projectile that did the damage. Experts claiming in AJ that the projectile came from the direction of Israel, experts claiming in Guardian that the crater and pattern do not match IDF artillery. All very confusing and conflicting..