Climate Change

[nibble]

Snippet from Landman explaining need for oil. Not saying I agree but makes some valid points. Also, is a good series.

[stylofone]

Snippet from Landman explaining need for oil. Not saying I agree but makes some valid points. Also, is a good series.

It's a denialist spiel because he ignores the climate disaster, which is worse than every bad thing he lists about ending oil. The things he lists in his argument that we need oil for include garbage bags, FFS. We don't need garbage bags. A garbage-bag free world would be a better world IMO.

I agree that the emissions from building the energy transition should be taken into account. Wind turbines are like EVs, making them is emissions intensive, but if they replace coal//oil/gas they end up reducing emissions. So they are bad, but oil is worse, Mr Oilman.

If we were to heed the clear advice to stop burning fossil fuels in a timely fashion (i.e. immediately), we wouldn't be able to make renewables and we'd have to have a form of energy austerity. It seems to me that this would require a redesign of our lifestyles which is not actually being promulgated by any of the major parties, not even the Greens. The only thing which would motivate us to stave off the disaster is the disaster itself... that's my doomist perspective.

[stevebrooks]

we need oil for include garbage bags, FFS. We don't need garbage bags.

Ah yes classic misdirection, using proper environmental methods garbage becomes a non-issue. Green waste collected and recycled, cardboard and paper recycled, aluminium and glass recycled, food waste recycled for animal feed, in fact I notice the majority of waste in our home garbage bins is actually plastic. Plastic bottles, plastic food wrappers (not so much bottles now we have local bottle collection.) so what he's saying is we need plastic garbage bags to store plastic waste, that's essentially it, nearly all other forms of waste is in fact recyclable or not environmentally harmful, it just needs to be stored and treated properly.

[stevebrooks]

Interesting video here, describes the fallacies inherent in the argument that it would be difficult to replace fossil fuel use because it makes up suck a large part of the energy we produce. In fact while for instance petroleum is used to produce 35.8% of the total energy in the energy matrix, only 5.77% of that actually reaches end users, the rest is wasted in production, transportation and inefficient machinery and products like gas stoves and ICE. We actually only need to replace a fraction of the energy produced by fossil fuels because using electricity directly, from solar, wind and etc increases the efficiency of the process.

It's always been a position of mine that if you are arguing over the total energy and pollution required for an EV compared to an ICE vehicle for the lifetime of that vehicle, if you don't include the drilling, transport and refining of the fuel to run the ICE vehicle then you are cheating on the argument. This shows it clearly.

[stylofone]

Interesting video here, describes the fallacies inherent in the argument that it would be difficult to replace fossil fuel use because it makes up suck a large part of the energy we produce. In fact while for instance petroleum is used to produce 35.8% of the total energy in the energy matrix, only 5.77% of that actually reaches end users, the rest is wasted in production, transportation and inefficient machinery and products like gas stoves and ICE. We actually only need to replace a fraction of the energy produced by fossil fuels because using electricity directly, from solar, wind and etc increases the efficiency of the process.

It's always been a position of mine that if you are arguing over the total energy and pollution required for an EV compared to an ICE vehicle for the lifetime of that vehicle, if you don't include the drilling, transport and refining of the fuel to run the ICE vehicle then you are cheating on the argument. This shows it clearly.

I was contemplating related issues as I mowed my lawn today. My electric mower is corded, I have a nice long extension cord, and it was sunny so it would have been getting all its energy from my solar panels. It is also the cheapest powered lawn mower - $150, and I've had it for about 7 years. The extension cord is a bit inconvenient, but it's more efficient than lithium ion batteries in other ways.

[pipbarber]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland

I'm running out of words. Although i am marveling at the fact that this group haven't opened a branch here first, given that all that 'straya is actually any good at is digging gigantic fucking holes.

[stevebrooks]

Day 1 Executive Order, the US is out of the Paris Climate Agreement....again! Pity the climate doesn't care about agreements, only about action.

[stylofone]

The notable events of this week include the new study led by James Hansen. He's ahead of the game again. Just when everyone is coming to terms with 1.5 being dead, he's saying 2 degrees of warming can't be stopped, and he reckons it will be here by about 2045. This article notes that he is considered a dissenting voice. My view is that if you look at the mainstream positions over the past couple of decades, the dissenting voices have all proved to be right, as is the case with 1.5 degrees of the Paris accords.

https://phys.org/news/2025-02-climate-s ... -goal.html

The other news is that January was another record. It makes Hansen's critics in the above article look pretty weak. This is the sort of news that motivates me to press ahead with climate adaptation plans in my everyday life.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tures-high

[stylofone]

Mostly this article is about weather, but Tom Saunders does a good job at also reporting the change in climate which affects the incidence of various weather events. For example, the record high sea surface temperature is contributing to the extreme events in parts of Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-13/ ... /104928782

[stevebrooks]

The Electric Viking on renewables and battery storage in Australia, reckons by 2035 Australia could be entirely renewable powered, if the coalition doesn't get in and cancel a lot of them in preference for Dutton's catastrophic nuclear fever dream!