Climate Change

[wadaye]

I didnt read Bendell havibg an escape clause but rather that we are human now and should appreciate and act with hunabity for the victims of v
Climste change _ innocents and children and whole societies being struck with famine
The West has continued to engage in this genocide while engaging in moralising finger pointing

[pipbarber]

Some great articles above, thanks all. I recall that Rebecca Solnit piece attracted our attention and discussion on the previous forum for many of the reasons articulated by those excellent blog posts.

As a fully signed up 'doomer' myself, all i can add is that it is not a condition of despair but rather one of exciting possibility, albeit overlaid with a veneer of terror - we all lived through the black summer, the big droughts and region destroying floods with the absolute certainty of more to come, so it's right to have some immediate fear. But there's nothing wrong with fear, it helps to keep us safe.

The exciting possibility is the end of neoliberalism, resource colonialism and some of the worst aspects of our culture which cannot survive societal collapse.

[wadaye]

Although very long at 2.5 hours this appeared in my play list automatically as a next play after the Bendell audiobook chapter. It is practically liberating from the PARIS IPCC etc pantomimes which only hide the truth of present climate genocide. Its not every day I consider a two and a half hour podcast to be too important at 12 midnight to leave till the next day

[stylofone]

Here's another one to set your mind ticking. I've drawn similar conclusions myself about the timing, but I haven't yet thought through the implications, or started thinking in detail about the nature of the collapse which is moving more and more into the picture for likely scenarios in out lifetimes.

2023 Is The Year Climate Change Went Exponential

In my opinion, global industrial civilization will collapse sometime during the 2030s. Most people are surprised when I say this. After all, 2030 is only 7 years away. But that’s the thing about exponential growth — it happens faster than expected.

https://archive.md/MaqGv

[stylofone]

I'm following a theme here. I recall being impressed by Umair Haque's previous articles.

One thing that comes through from the doomster mentality is that it reframes the debate. The people no longer thought of as progressive on climate are the ones who believe in things like the energy transition and net zero, they think that we will be able to go on as before by replacing fossil fuels with renewables. I am tempted to see them as the new deniers of climate reality. They are addicted to hopium. The actual progressives, the realists, are the doomists. As for the old-school climate deniers, the Bolts and the loony Malcolm Roberts types, they will never be convinced, they need to be consigned to the fringes, although maybe I'm high on hopium myself if I think THAT's gonna happen..

The Decade That Everything That Could Go Wrong Did Go Wrong

So. Five crises afflict our civilization. Great ones. At the macro level, the largest one there is. Our global economy doesn’t work. Our polities are regressing back to fascism. Our societies are being torn apart. Our planet is on the brink, and extinction beckons. The fifth one? It’s the biggie, the consequence of all these, going on unchecked: the rising risk of civilizational collapse.
Those are my examples. You can call them, maybe “mega-institutions,” or just “systems” if you like. The point is that we’re not often used to thinking in these terms — at such a macro level. But this is today’s reality for us civilizationally. Our societies are coming undone, and as a result, our polities are fractured, impotent, adept only at enriching the worst among us, it often seems, simmering with demagoguery. Our economy, meanwhile, hasn’t delivered the benefits it was supposed to — and at the same time, it’s cost us a livable planet. So climate change goes from abstraction to sudden impact to oh-my-god-is-this-really-happening-to-us.

[joele]

But the rise in temperature follows a step-like progression. The warmest year in the 20th century was 1998, following the 1997-98 major El Niño. Then the warming paused and the so-called “hiatus” in global warming from 2001 to 2014 led climate change deniers to become vociferous in proclaiming global warming was a myth.

https://theconversation.com/global-temp ... ext-209385

[wadaye]

Agreed. There is a myopic vision that there could never be a car crash, never be a nuclear meltdown, never be another use of nuclear bomb orworse a climate inflicted genocide as is alteady proceeding apace through the Sahel. To think that we are in the midst of a genocide equivalent as comprehensive but vaster in scale than the initial colonial genocides is difficult to comprehend but true.


Edit. Poisoned planet springs to mind.

[wadaye]

Modern economic systems and individualism is not geared towards avoidance of catastrophes, but in setting up precipitous survival gradients in the event that there is a negative event - and there always are negative events which are exported -.

Consider crop failure, not significant in a capitalist system as supposedly the invisible hand of the market sets the parameters of who, which tribe, which nation, lives or dies. Of course that's just allowing ourselves to kill and deflect responsibility, but that's the system.

In a capitalist society there is not even an imperative to factor in for crop failures. That would be a market defeating mechanism.

[wadaye]

I can't help thinking about this issue. It is worse than the end times

[Irrev-Black]

I can't help thinking about this issue. It is worse than the end times

Don't do anything = we're probably fucked.

We're probably fucked anyway, but we might be able to lessen the blow for some people.

That's about the best comfort I can offer.